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What a fustercluck

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Via SayUncle:

But when the smoky haze — caused by rapid fire of nearly 140 bullets in less than 30 seconds — dissipated, it soon became clear that more than a dozen officers had been firing at one another across a middle school parking lot in East Cleveland.

But wait, there’s more!

Officers recounted for investigators seeing guns, objects that looked like guns or one of the suspects loading guns in the middle school parking lot — which could not have been possible at that point in the incident. No gun was found in the car.

Now it is certainly possible that, as the article mentions, the suspects had a gun during the chase and ditched it; at this point it is my opinion that the police have a lot more wishful thinking than evidence.

Written by BornLib

February 19, 2013 at 5:24 pm

Posted in Cops, Lethal Force

Why would I ever want more than 7/10 bullets?

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WDTN: Fatal home invasion brings up gun laws.

Ta’Vaun Fambrough, 19, of Dayton died at Miami Valley Hospital from a gunshot wound to the chest.

Anthony Barwick, 20, of Dayton, was shot in the leg. He was treated and released into police custody. Barwick, along with London Norman, 23, Deron McGuire Jr., 23, and Tavaughn Lewis, 19, the other men police said were involved in the home invasion, are all being held in the Greene County Jail on charges of felony aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery, and kidnapping.

That is five, count ’em, five bad guys robbing a single home while at least pretending to be armed.  If I were to ask Mr. Muse if he felt like he had too many bullets, what do you think he would say?

Written by BornLib

January 30, 2013 at 3:01 pm

Stand Your Ground Is True Blue

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Big Government: ‘Stand Your Ground’ The Law In Blue California Too

As we’ve seen, there have been a number of Democrats in state offices who’ve not only signed stand your ground bills into law but have actually defended those bills when gun-grabbers protested.

To date, Democrat governors who have either signed a stand your ground bill into law or at least refused to veto it include, “Kathleen Blanco of Louisiana, Jennifer Granholm of Michigan, Brian Schweitzer of Montana, John Lynch of New Hampshire, Brad Henry of Oklahoma, Phil Bredesen of Tennessee, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Janet Napolitano of Arizona.”
And here’s the kicker folks—California, one of the most staunchly liberal states in the union, is a stand your ground state.

And SaysUncle does not let us not forget about New York:

One clarification on New York law. New York does have the common law duty to retreat from an affray, but under New York Law you’re permitted to use deadly force, with no duty to retreat, to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Actually Sebastian has a whole crowd-sourcing project going on No Duty To Retreat states.  The thought that Ohio is behind California in this respect is disconcerting to say the least.

Sebastian also put together a very interesting article about the traditions of common law that form the basis of self defense laws such as Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground.

And to tie this into the “War on Women” business that is all the rage these days, we have this bit of information from Clayton Cramer:

I’m impressed how many of the cases that I have found so far involve women defending themselves from abusive intimate partners (and sometimes the reverse, as in State v. Glowacki (Minn. 2001))–and being charged because they didn’t leave their own homes rather than use deadly force.

Written by BornLib

April 18, 2012 at 1:58 pm

Plugging pirates

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Via Ace of Spades:

InformationDissemination.net: Finding Piracy’s Tipping Point

After several unproductive years of dithering in the Indian Ocean, navies and shipping companies are slowly changing their mindset towards countering piracy. Unsurprisingly, this shift has begun to produce a positive outcome. For 2011, the number of attempted Somali pirate attacks has continued to increase as in previous years; however, it appears that to date this year, the rate of successful attacks has actually begun a decline. What is contributing to this change? First, shipping companies have started to put aside their fears of liability and embraced the only foolproof deterrence against successful attacks – embarked armed security.

If only there were some lesson we landlubber civilians could take from this.

Written by BornLib

May 25, 2011 at 11:21 pm

Simple rule to live by

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I was reading an article SayUncle linked to, and NYDailyNews put up this poll question with the article:

Was it necessary for the undercover officer to shoot the armed robber?

Here is the relevant part of the story:

As the two men stepped into the entrance, a 31-year-old man – pretending not to know the dealer – came down the stairs and aimed a loaded pistol at the officer in an attempt to rob him, cops said.

So to answer the poll question, here is the rule you need to know:

“Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill ’em right back!” – Malcolm Reynolds

Written by BornLib

May 13, 2011 at 7:44 am

Cincinnati Police Officer Shoots, Kills Knife Wielding Suspect

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Cincinnati Police Officer Shoots, Kills Person in Northside.

A Cincinnati Police officer fired on and killed an older white man who apparently pulled a knife on the officer in Northside early Monday morning.”

Pretty straightforward.

1. Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.

2. Don’t pull a weapon on a cop.

Someone expressed the following sentiment in the comments,Seems extreme that the officer killed a suspect for pulling a knife; there are other ways to incapacitate from a distance besides killing.”

Ah, armchair law enforcement.

In the February-March 2011 issue of Concealed Carry Magazine, Michael Martin explains the following:

If an attacker lunges at you with a knife, can you draw your firearm in time to stop him? That depends on how close the attacker is. Since attacks are almost always a surprise, we should assume that we’d need 1.2 seconds to perceive and process the fact that we’re under attack, plus the time required to draw our firearm and align it with the attacker. Let’s assume the motor reaction time takes two seconds (the time to orient toward the attacker, and draw our firearm from concealment). That means that our full reaction might take more than three seconds, which is enough time for an attacker to cover more than 50 feet. So the answer to the question is, ‘Are you more than 50 feet away from the attacker?'”

So “from a distance”, in this context, is 50 feet.  What are the effective ranges of non-lethal alternatives that a patrolman would be carrying?

Tazers – According to Taser International, Inc, long range cartridges have a range of 35 feet.  Standard range cartridges range from 15 to 25 feet.

Pepper Spray – DPS markets their X-Stream-range Defense Spray as having an “incredible” range of 20 feet.  Kathy Jackson, author of The Cornered Cat, points out that, “physical effects [of pepper spray] generally begin to occur within five seconds of the time the spray hits…”

That’s it.  If a cop is to get close enough to use non-lethal weapons, assuming they are carrying them, they have to be close enough that they can be easily stabbed.  Making such a demand of a law enforcement officer is simply irresponsible.

Another comment I take issue with, “When will the police learn to shoot and INJURE someone? With all that training why can’t you shoot in the arm, leg or SOMETHING onstead of taking someone’s life?”

1. Police aren’t that well trained to shoot.  Most only shoot enough to pass their twice a year firearms qualifications.  I train more in a month than they do in a year, and that’s nothing compared to a professional shooter.  Expecting cops to be expert marksmen after a couple hours of training is totally unrealistic.

2. This is not the movies.  You are demanding that they hit a target a few inches wide, while it is moving, and the shooter is also likely to be moving, under the stress of a life-threatening situation?  Why don’t you demand they shoot the knife out of his hand while you’re at it?  That is about as reasonable as what you want.

3. Shooting to maim is legally reckless.  A firearm is lethal force.  If you (or a cop) deploys lethal force in the way you describe, it is the legal equivalent to admitting that your life was not in danger.  This means taking away your legal defense for using a firearm to defend yourself from attack.  Since the cop was being menaced by a deadly weapon, such a response could only be described as idiotic.

Written by BornLib

April 18, 2011 at 1:10 pm

Posted in Cops, Lethal Force